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11/30/2014

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Jon

Thanks for doing this Lee. I appreciate your thoughtful, even approach. As one who believes in evolution and leans heavily toward not believing in Adam and Eve as literal, historical persons, I struggle with the implications, chiefly those set forth in your fourth cluster, but also those relating to the integrity of the bible. I look forward to the discussion.

Jason

I'm really interested to read more. You've got me thinking now... Its seems like there is so much physical evidence to indicate we live in a world older than 6000 years and I have always thought the Day-Age view made the most sense. The one problem that bothers me is that it would mean death existed before the fall of man. Is the Bible talking of spirtual death and not physical? Another thought I've been pondering is Einstein's theory of special relativity and how this could mean that both a 24 hour creation day view and a day-age view could both be correct at the same time. If time experienced is relative to the speed of travel, it opens the door to all sorts of interesting ideas about how creation happened.

Charles Lee Irons

On the problem of death before the Fall, you might be interested in a paper I wrote: http://www.upper-register.com/papers/animal_death_before_fall.html

Einstein's theory of relativity doesn't help in this case. The reason is that the evidence of age isn't limited to things like star light coming from distant galaxies. The evidence of age is also found right here on earth in the rocks. Everywhere we look on the earth's crust, there is evidence for long geological processes of sedimentation and erosion.

Take the Grand Canyon. In your mind's eye, you can picture the different colored layers in the walls, right? These were laid down by a sedimentation process since this area was once under water. In each layer, we find different types of fossils, based on the different types of organisms alive at each time period. Imagine the time it takes for organisms to live, die, and become fossilized. Just creating the layers, one by one, took hundreds of millions of years. Once the layer cake was ready, then the Colorado River stepped in to slice the cake. This was a process of erosion as the river burrowed through the sedimentary layers to lay them bare and create the canyon we now see. That is a more recent process that has been going on for the past five million years or so.

I could be wrong, but I don't see how the theory of relativity can explain the Grand Canyon.

Jason

Thank you for writing back and I will read your paper! When I mentioned Einstein's theory, I was thinking of verses like 2 Peter 3:8 and Psalm 90:4. What took God one day to create in his time could still be millions of years of "earth time." As you mentioned earlier, all truth meets at the top with scientific discovery and God's word not being at war with each other, but in perfect unity. It's interesting about some of the observable properties of light in how it seems to travel in a way that warps time. As an object approaches light speed, its mass approaches infinity... which also means it would require an infinite amount of energy to move an object at light speed. That wouldn't be a problem for God :) I just found in neat how light not only has poetic and symbolic attributes, but also scientific attributes that describe God. Whether you are running toward or away from a light source, no matter how fast you travel, the light will take the exact same amount of time to reach you.

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